Need Help With Infestation

Scoot said:

Can someone PLEASE id these little M'r F'rs???

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I have been dealing with these things for many months now. I thought I figured out what they were and how to evict them from my crop but no such luck. I am a fairly new grower so I am at a loss here. Every time I think i have gotten rid of the little bastards and go through a flower cycle they pop back up on the next flower cycle. But they must be there the whole time because I have a lot of yellowing and what looked like rust spots on the leaves and a lot of dead leaves throughout the entire 5-6 months that i have been dealing with this. I have run the gambit trying to get rid of them.
I have cleared the flower room and cleaned completely.
I have used Avid several times a month in the veg room even though it is systemic (grasping at straws)
I have used OG Bio war
I have used Organicide
I have used Green Clean
I have used Neem Oil
I have used Doctor Brenner Hemp peppermint soap
(I have tried alternating all of the above (except Avid) so they couldn't acclimate to any one chemical)
I'm on a weekly Sulfur burn cycle

My setup is...
HP Pro Mix in flood tables

Someone PLEASE help me get rid of these things.
I am close to napalming the whole garden.

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Wow looks like you got it bad too.
Sorry I can't offer any solid advice as I've had no experience dealing with pests yet.

But I can feel for ya.
I would be pretty frustrated in your shoes right now.

Good luck finding a solution.

Scoot said:

I am close to napalming the whole garden.

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That's probably not a bad option.

The fact that you have used a bunch of stuff, yet still haven't ID the pests has probably just made them immune to all of the above.

Good luck.



Even looking at that picture creeps me out. That's a serious aphid, thrip,and mite infestation from the looks of it. Shit I see a bunch of differnt bugs. But nothing is clear. Wow

Best of luck.

looks like an aphid party
@We Solidarity and @Seamaiden

Those are definitely aphids it sounds dumb but do you have an ant problem at grow? I ask beacuse ants farm aphids and will move them around and infect plants beacuse they harvest the stuff they secret. If you have no ants there's a million products out there for them and the absolute last ditch solution is rubbing alcohol and water you have to drench every inch of your plants and don't put them right in light the alcohol dries them out just use a light solution forgot the exact ratio. It may sound like nonsense but it killed spider mites for me when nothing else did the 1 time I got them

Holy shit!i say fling everything to fuck and burn it clean your room out THOROUGHLY and bomb it and leave the room empty for a few weeks maybe even months.
that is one of the worst infestations iv seen.just lookin at all those different critters gives me the heiby-jeebies.

could be whiteflies, thrips, aphids seems you have a whole congregation there.

I personally would start by asking you a few questions, do you grow from seed or cuts?
If clones where do you source your clones from?
Do you quarantine your cuts before introducing them to your groom?
Do you let other growers or any people into your groom?
Do the family pets have access to your groom?
Where are you sourcing your intake air from? is it filtered?
Do you live close to neighboring farmland. If so, do you do the best you can to keep doors and windows closed. Are doors and windows screened?

Personally looking at the scope of your infestation I would not spend a lot more time and money fighting this condition. I would wrap up your current grow as best you can, then eradicate with a scorched earth strategy, do an intensive cleaning of all lights, fixtures, pumps, fans planter pots, reservoirs. Throw out all of whatever media you are using. If soil dont reuse it ROLS. Clean all plant matter and debris and put it in a burn pile somewhere

then before I started another grow I would take an intensive look at developing a IPM plan and look at all possible areas of pest entry. A couple I already mentioned above with the questions I posed........ Answer some of my questions with your reply to the thread and we can go from there......... Peace

PS based on your post and with all the cleaning you state you have done I would attempt to figure out their point of entry and eliminate that. They are getting in somehow......

Idk why people think there are multiple bugs in there, you're dealing exclusively with aphids by the look of that picture. In a flood and drain I would assume they came from the roots, however your aphids have too long of antennas to be root aphids which means they're coming from an external vector (likely a crack in the wall or from under a door)

Safer brand insecticidal soap might knock them back, as will preferal or pfr-70, imidacloprid (mallet, merit) is the only systemic I've seen kill aphids, but hands down the best route to go would be ladybugs. Ladybugs will eat all those aphids in a matter of days and you would get the satisfaction of watching the aphids die slowly and horribly. Aphids are ladybugs favorite food, that's definitely the first route id go.

We Solidarity said:

Ladybugs will eat all those aphids in a matter of days and you would get the satisfaction of watching the aphids die slowly and horribly. Aphids are ladybugs favorite food, that's definitely the first route id go.

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is right after looking at your pic again this morning there in flower use lady bugs DON'T use a sestemic unless you want to consume poison your not evin supposed to use most of them on food crops it's one thing on a mother that will be cloned out cause the would be none left in the cut when it was done. Since there in bloom they would most likely still have a poison remaining

Natural said:

looks like an aphid party
@We Solidarity and @Seamaiden

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Yep. If he's got ants they're going to keep bringing them back to the sweet goodness. I don't see anything else except aphids in that pic.

I get them like that on some cultivars of my lettuces, but NEVER on my cannabis. Squirting them off with a hose is the usual treatment, but if they keep coming back that needs to be addressed.

We Solidarity said:

Idk why people think there are multiple bugs in there, you're dealing exclusively with aphids by the look of that picture. In a flood and drain I would assume they came from the roots, however your aphids have too long of antennas to be root aphids which means they're coming from an external vector (likely a crack in the wall or from under a door)

Safer brand insecticidal soap might knock them back, as will preferal or pfr-70, imidacloprid (mallet, merit) is the only systemic I've seen kill aphids, but hands down the best route to go would be ladybugs. Ladybugs will eat all those aphids in a matter of days and you would get the satisfaction of watching the aphids die slowly and horribly. Aphids are ladybugs favorite food, that's definitely the first route id go.

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I have a window A/C unit cooling the room. Would that be an inlet for them? I have never seen an ant anywhere in the flower or veg room. They seem to be only on one plant in the masses like shown in the pic. The A/C unit is the only fresh air into the room. Other then that, the room is fairly well sealed.

Scoot said:

I have a window A/C unit cooling the room. Would that be an inlet for them? I have never seen an ant anywhere in the flower or veg room. They seem to be only on one plant in the masses like shown in the pic. The A/C unit is the only fresh air into the room. Other then that, the room is fairly well sealed.

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Window a/c unit is not a fresh air inlet. It is sealed to the wall. Indoor stays indoor. Outdoor stays outdoor.

Outside is hot side.
Inside is cold side.

@Scoot hey bud..make sure to pull a plant and check the rootball for crawlers and that white honeydew stuff. I don't know much about these except that there are many species and life stages. AC's can be poorly sealed in the window mount and some models have a fresh air intake option to check for

Scoot said:

I have a window A/C unit cooling the room. Would that be an inlet for them? I have never seen an ant anywhere in the flower or veg room. They seem to be only on one plant in the masses like shown in the pic. The A/C unit is the only fresh air into the room. Other then that, the room is fairly well sealed.

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is this a recurring problem? Does it normally happen to only one plant, and does it show in only one specific part of the room? Do you see any winged aphids flying around?

We Solidarity said:

is this a recurring problem? Does it normally happen to only one plant, and does it show in only one specific part of the room? Do you see any winged aphids flying around?

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Yes this is a reoccurring issue. Well.... Maybe. Im not positive that i have ever been completely rid of them. Since this started, I have always had yellowing and dying leaves in veg and flower room. Every time I spray (which has been every 3-4 days for 3-4 weeks, then once weekly with the Neem oil) And the plants are DRENCHED and dripping from being sprayed from every angle underneath and from above.
I have not yet pulled a plant to see if the roots are infested. That is my next step.
I also do not see any flying insects. I will go buy a sticky fly trap and see what that tells me.
It also happens on different plants in different parts of the room.

Any update.

Promis ftmfw!!
15ml/gal
Soil drench for established plants
7.5ml/gal for clones

Systemic for 30 days

I use ffof soil, every fn bag I get fruit flies (4 different grow stores, all get fruit flies). So now once I pot my clones from the cloner they get 7.5 watered. Then when I up pot to final pot, they get a 15ml drenching.

I haven't seen a fruit Fly in over 1yr.

You try using hot shot pest strips? Not sure if they will work or not. Used it on a bad spider mite infestation. Killed everything dead .

Hot shot pest strips can and might possibly kill you if used in a grow where you live. See the many many many warnings in threads on this site and the 3 or 4 others I frequent.