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;) ditto bro. Adios.
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Wait whats in your product? you know the calcium carbonate one?
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FYI- I use Fish, EWC, kelp, gypsum, Crab/Lobsta shell, soybean meal, bone char and acorns leaves in my soil mix....you must need that barnpole to reach anything from your high horse. Don't act like I spread urea on my fields without knowing.
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HSO Lemon Kush Headband Day 25ish grown in heavy amounts of gypsum and oak leaves..
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stop getting so mad bro. no one is saying dont use gypsum are they? Just acknowledge that some people like Elaine, and as many as you can find that couldnt get their heads around what she started, I can find numbers that did. That took her ideas and built a new future, but they didnt just sit back and say Elaine Elaine....they built on her concepts and ideas, went out and tinkered, found specialists, added to the sum total of the soil by including those critters you pay no mind to mate. by understanding the role of soil carbon. Calcium, keep it mate, its everywhere. Yes i use it in my products, sometimes indoors its needed, sometimes I use it outside, but its way more than some calcium sulfate mate.
Soil will always get more complex as time passes, this is entropy, but man stands in the way with ideas of an annual harvest. How you get the land to remain in a state of constant non change is less an art, and more a fools errand, the disappearance of SOM is the issue, not the calcium you are adding. Does your gypsum lower your water bill?
Before Ag, there were forests covering much of the USA and Europe, now? The USA like most other nations should be declaring a state of national emergency due to the lack of species diversity, itself a direct result of one families desire to eat more than the next family. Our thought leaders should be taking us away from ruination, but this isnt what is happening, we are losing soil buddy, argue that all you like. Gypsum isnt replacing lost soil is it?
We dont have a handle of cardiac matters, despite years of low cholesterol diets and advice, the situation is worsening, I would always be open to new ideas bro, and tomorrows medicine is blowing away with our land.
Come here and add some gypsum, see what happens buddy... the practice isnt happening here. We have suelo blanco, you know why its white dont ya?
Soil will always get more complex as time passes, this is entropy, but man stands in the way with ideas of an annual harvest. How you get the land to remain in a state of constant non change is less an art, and more a fools errand, the disappearance of SOM is the issue, not the calcium you are adding. Does your gypsum lower your water bill?
Before Ag, there were forests covering much of the USA and Europe, now? The USA like most other nations should be declaring a state of national emergency due to the lack of species diversity, itself a direct result of one families desire to eat more than the next family. Our thought leaders should be taking us away from ruination, but this isnt what is happening, we are losing soil buddy, argue that all you like. Gypsum isnt replacing lost soil is it?
We dont have a handle of cardiac matters, despite years of low cholesterol diets and advice, the situation is worsening, I would always be open to new ideas bro, and tomorrows medicine is blowing away with our land.
Come here and add some gypsum, see what happens buddy... the practice isnt happening here. We have suelo blanco, you know why its white dont ya?
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top getting so mad bro. no one is saying dont use gypsum are they?
You insult me and then say to stop getting mad? Stop picking on Brittney! I wasn't even talking about your cult leader. Where is my answer? Isn't one of your products essentially a calcium carbonate foliar? You wouldn't attack me for using lime while selling a product that IS lime would you?
Just acknowledge that some people like Elaine, and as many as you can find that couldnt get their heads around what she started, I can find numbers that did. That took her ideas and built a new future, but they didnt just sit back and say Elaine Elaine....they built on her concepts and ideas, went out and tinkered, found specialists, added to the sum total of
Therein is the problem now isn't it! A woman monetizes on a set of shaky principals and builds an army of followers to spread her half truths and pollute future knowledge with a bad foundation that made her wealth
the soil by including those critters you pay no mind to mate.
I pay no mind to? What? I pay no mind to soil microbes? Really?
by understanding the role of soil carbon.
Yeah Man point me to someone who uses carbon in their mix more than I?
Calcium, keep it mate, its everywhere. Yes i use it in my products, sometimes indoors its needed, sometimes I use it outside, but its way more than some calcium sulfate mate.
Again what? Available calcium is not everywhere mate! Maybe it is where you live NOW but I assume carbonates.
Soil will always get more complex as time passes, this is entropy, but man stands in the way with ideas of an annual harvest. How you get the land to remain in a state of constant non change is less an art, and more a fools errand, the disappearance of SOM is the issue, not the calcium you are adding. Does your gypsum lower your water bill?
You don't think I strive to build SOM? that is the name of the game, but you I both know you don't get there by squeezing feldspar and hoping the roots will dissolve it in due time.
Before Ag, there were forests covering much of the USA and Europe, now? The USA like most other nations should be declaring a state of national emergency due to the lack of species diversity, itself a direct result of one families desire to eat more than the next family. Our thought leaders should be taking us away from ruination, but this isnt what is happening, we are losing soil buddy, argue that all you like. Gypsum isnt replacing lost soil is it?
SOM builds and gypsum is part of that. You know that
You insult me and then say to stop getting mad? Stop picking on Brittney! I wasn't even talking about your cult leader. Where is my answer? Isn't one of your products essentially a calcium carbonate foliar? You wouldn't attack me for using lime while selling a product that IS lime would you?
Just acknowledge that some people like Elaine, and as many as you can find that couldnt get their heads around what she started, I can find numbers that did. That took her ideas and built a new future, but they didnt just sit back and say Elaine Elaine....they built on her concepts and ideas, went out and tinkered, found specialists, added to the sum total of
Therein is the problem now isn't it! A woman monetizes on a set of shaky principals and builds an army of followers to spread her half truths and pollute future knowledge with a bad foundation that made her wealth
the soil by including those critters you pay no mind to mate.
I pay no mind to? What? I pay no mind to soil microbes? Really?
by understanding the role of soil carbon.
Yeah Man point me to someone who uses carbon in their mix more than I?
Calcium, keep it mate, its everywhere. Yes i use it in my products, sometimes indoors its needed, sometimes I use it outside, but its way more than some calcium sulfate mate.
Again what? Available calcium is not everywhere mate! Maybe it is where you live NOW but I assume carbonates.
Soil will always get more complex as time passes, this is entropy, but man stands in the way with ideas of an annual harvest. How you get the land to remain in a state of constant non change is less an art, and more a fools errand, the disappearance of SOM is the issue, not the calcium you are adding. Does your gypsum lower your water bill?
You don't think I strive to build SOM? that is the name of the game, but you I both know you don't get there by squeezing feldspar and hoping the roots will dissolve it in due time.
Before Ag, there were forests covering much of the USA and Europe, now? The USA like most other nations should be declaring a state of national emergency due to the lack of species diversity, itself a direct result of one families desire to eat more than the next family. Our thought leaders should be taking us away from ruination, but this isnt what is happening, we are losing soil buddy, argue that all you like. Gypsum isnt replacing lost soil is it?
SOM builds and gypsum is part of that. You know that
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i dont apply Calcium to the soi its already abundant, adding it would be stupid, i dont care what you say, what the pga says either, i hate golf, its a waste of good land.
So i have a product that has some calcium in it alongside some Fe and some Mg and Some trichoderma and some CO2, how is this like your gypsum? like I said, it is hard to avoid Ca esp if you live on limestone like I do. You method would do jack shit here buddy, this i can tell you as fact. Adding gypsum would mean i am wasting my money end of story. And is it helping my water? No is the answer, only proper organic matter such as cellulose, lignin etc will help me here.
You are losing it brother, what products does Elaine sell apart from her ideas? Like i said, you hate Elaine and anyone that uses her data end of story. you claim to care about soil brother, this I can see with my own eye means you care about it as long as you can make money from it.. You care about your personal profit, this has always been clear. And so now you bash other people for their way of getting money? You sir are a fraud and do as i say not as I do mofo.
Go about your business brother, Cult leader, ha you are fixated like a child. OK add gypsum see if it turns to a dark brown soil like substance, it is rock and salt, not clay, loam, sand silt is it? Mate you get too worked up by people not paying attention to what you do. SOM doesnt just build this is why we have less soil now or are you denying this as well as biology and 3.5 billion years of life? i dont need to amend my organically rich soil with gypsum, i dont have compaction issues, i dont have crusting issues. I have low Sodium, so tell me should I use it like you and your gypsum cult?
It has been said Gypsum can increase the soil structure, but it is not soil, nor is it recommended in many instances, something about which you have failed to acknowledge.
Gypsum is calcium sulfate, a naturally occurring mineral. It has been touted as beneficial for breaking up compact soil, especially clay soil. It is useful in changing the soil structure of excessively heavy soils which have been impacted by heavy traffic, flooding, overcropping, or simply overly weatherized, none of which happen on my farm except the weather.
One of the main uses of gypsum is to remove excess sodium from the soil and adding calcium. A soil analysis is helpful in determining if you need to apply gypsum as a soil amendment. Additional benefits are a reduction in crusting, improved water run-off and erosion control, assisting in seedling emergence, more workable soils, and better percolation. However, the effects will only last a couple of months before the soil reverts to its original state. And here in lies your problem brother, but again why read the facts.
Using Gypsum For Garden Tilth
Now that we have ascertained what gypsum is, it’s natural to question, “Is gypsum good for the soil?” Because it reduces salt levels in soil, it is effective in coastal and arid regions. However, it doesn’t work in sandy soils and it can deposit an excess of calcium in regions where the mineral is already abundant. Additionally, in areas with poor salinity, it pulls out too much sodium, leaving the location deficient in salt. Considering the cost of a few bags of the mineral, using gypsum for garden tilth is uneconomical.
I wont ever do what you do to the land, you are blinkered and see soil as a base for cations and anions, you neglect soil carbon, you neglect biology, you deny 3.5 billion years of natural recycling and imagine that the less than 100 years of synthetic manures is the answer when in fact we are sicker, fatter and less able to find fertile soil. Your ideas are failing us brother but dont lose hope.
As a rule, using gypsum for garden tilth will probably not harm your plants, but it simply is not necessary. Using a little elbow grease and lovely organic goodies from fall clean up or compost worked into the soil to a depth of at least 8 inches will provide an excellent soil amendment. Studies have shown that soils with at least 10 percent organic matter don’t benefit from the addition of gypsum. It also has no effect on soil fertility, permanent structure or pH, while generous amounts of compost will do all that and more. In short, you can benefit new landscapes by application of gypsum on compacted soil if you have a need for calcium and have salt laden earth. But for the majority of gardeners, the mineral is not necessary and should be left for industrial agricultural use.
Go ahead and be as you are, i could not care less, what you know I have forgotten ten times. You hate Elaine so what. You dismiss her work as nonsense because you arent bright enough to understand it. You claim she has harmed your land? Or not? You are just a bandwagoner bro.
by the way, you assume a lot. (ass u me)
So i have a product that has some calcium in it alongside some Fe and some Mg and Some trichoderma and some CO2, how is this like your gypsum? like I said, it is hard to avoid Ca esp if you live on limestone like I do. You method would do jack shit here buddy, this i can tell you as fact. Adding gypsum would mean i am wasting my money end of story. And is it helping my water? No is the answer, only proper organic matter such as cellulose, lignin etc will help me here.
You are losing it brother, what products does Elaine sell apart from her ideas? Like i said, you hate Elaine and anyone that uses her data end of story. you claim to care about soil brother, this I can see with my own eye means you care about it as long as you can make money from it.. You care about your personal profit, this has always been clear. And so now you bash other people for their way of getting money? You sir are a fraud and do as i say not as I do mofo.
Go about your business brother, Cult leader, ha you are fixated like a child. OK add gypsum see if it turns to a dark brown soil like substance, it is rock and salt, not clay, loam, sand silt is it? Mate you get too worked up by people not paying attention to what you do. SOM doesnt just build this is why we have less soil now or are you denying this as well as biology and 3.5 billion years of life? i dont need to amend my organically rich soil with gypsum, i dont have compaction issues, i dont have crusting issues. I have low Sodium, so tell me should I use it like you and your gypsum cult?
It has been said Gypsum can increase the soil structure, but it is not soil, nor is it recommended in many instances, something about which you have failed to acknowledge.
Gypsum is calcium sulfate, a naturally occurring mineral. It has been touted as beneficial for breaking up compact soil, especially clay soil. It is useful in changing the soil structure of excessively heavy soils which have been impacted by heavy traffic, flooding, overcropping, or simply overly weatherized, none of which happen on my farm except the weather.
One of the main uses of gypsum is to remove excess sodium from the soil and adding calcium. A soil analysis is helpful in determining if you need to apply gypsum as a soil amendment. Additional benefits are a reduction in crusting, improved water run-off and erosion control, assisting in seedling emergence, more workable soils, and better percolation. However, the effects will only last a couple of months before the soil reverts to its original state. And here in lies your problem brother, but again why read the facts.
Using Gypsum For Garden Tilth
Now that we have ascertained what gypsum is, it’s natural to question, “Is gypsum good for the soil?” Because it reduces salt levels in soil, it is effective in coastal and arid regions. However, it doesn’t work in sandy soils and it can deposit an excess of calcium in regions where the mineral is already abundant. Additionally, in areas with poor salinity, it pulls out too much sodium, leaving the location deficient in salt. Considering the cost of a few bags of the mineral, using gypsum for garden tilth is uneconomical.
I wont ever do what you do to the land, you are blinkered and see soil as a base for cations and anions, you neglect soil carbon, you neglect biology, you deny 3.5 billion years of natural recycling and imagine that the less than 100 years of synthetic manures is the answer when in fact we are sicker, fatter and less able to find fertile soil. Your ideas are failing us brother but dont lose hope.
As a rule, using gypsum for garden tilth will probably not harm your plants, but it simply is not necessary. Using a little elbow grease and lovely organic goodies from fall clean up or compost worked into the soil to a depth of at least 8 inches will provide an excellent soil amendment. Studies have shown that soils with at least 10 percent organic matter don’t benefit from the addition of gypsum. It also has no effect on soil fertility, permanent structure or pH, while generous amounts of compost will do all that and more. In short, you can benefit new landscapes by application of gypsum on compacted soil if you have a need for calcium and have salt laden earth. But for the majority of gardeners, the mineral is not necessary and should be left for industrial agricultural use.
Go ahead and be as you are, i could not care less, what you know I have forgotten ten times. You hate Elaine so what. You dismiss her work as nonsense because you arent bright enough to understand it. You claim she has harmed your land? Or not? You are just a bandwagoner bro.
by the way, you assume a lot. (ass u me)
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added, in light of the sum total of oceans and seas, we can safely estimate limestone covers about 65% of the planet. So its more everywhere than not. Like I said dude, its everywhere. At some point you may just have to admit this.
At some point you may also have to admit that you cant beat good compost, it is the only answer people here really need. The rest of the stuff is ex world war one chemical weapons or just some shit from a dried up sea and 9 out of 10 people never test so dont know what they need. Ergo the safest way to amend soil is applying compost.
At some point you may also have to admit that you cant beat good compost, it is the only answer people here really need. The rest of the stuff is ex world war one chemical weapons or just some shit from a dried up sea and 9 out of 10 people never test so dont know what they need. Ergo the safest way to amend soil is applying compost.
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more rounded estimates of CaO levels in the earths crust point to 5.5% of the sum total , so again show me where we lack CaO? I dont care if you want to waste your money this is certain! But, I will hold the line where other people contribute and you smash them up without basis.
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@Ecompost
Only one of US is selling ANYTHING asshole and you will not be getting free advertising from me ever. Talk to me about wasting money? I don't buy your product and never will again.
You talk shit about using lime all the while selling it in your shit product...Fuck off.
I once thought you were really intelligent now I see as a long winded salesman selling snakeoil.
What is it I'm selling a soil recipe for free? How about you? Whatctcha sellin?
Only one of US is selling ANYTHING asshole and you will not be getting free advertising from me ever. Talk to me about wasting money? I don't buy your product and never will again.
You talk shit about using lime all the while selling it in your shit product...Fuck off.
I once thought you were really intelligent now I see as a long winded salesman selling snakeoil.
What is it I'm selling a soil recipe for free? How about you? Whatctcha sellin?
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more on the myth of Gypsum
This myth falls into the category of agricultural practices misapplied to ornamental landscapes.
Gypsum effectively changes the structure and fertility of heavy clay soils, especially those that are heavily weathered or subject to intensive crop production.
Gypsum also improves sodic (saline) soils by removing sodium from the soil and replacing it with calcium. Therefore, one can see improvement in clay soil structure and fertility, and desalinization of sodium-rich soils, by using gypsum.
What other effects will gypsum have on soil and plant health? There are a number of scientific studies on gypsum usage both in the literature and onwebsites. Briefly, researchers have found:
• Gypsum does not usually change soil acidity,though occasional reports of both increasing and
decreasing pH exist;
• Gypsum can increase leaching of aluminum, which can detoxify soils but also contaminates
nearby watersheds;
• Gypsum can increase leaching of iron and manganese, leading to deficiencies of these nutrients;
• Gypsum applied to acid soils can induce magnesium deficiency in plants on site;
• Gypsum applied to sandy soils can depress phosphorus, copper and zinc transport;
• Gypsum can have negative effects on mycorrhizal inoculation of roots, which may account for
several reports of negative effects of gypsum on tree seedling establishment and survival;
• Gypsum is variable in its effects on mature trees;
• Gypsum will not improve fertility of acid or sandy soils;
• Gypsum will not improve water holding capacity of sandy soils; and
• Gypsum’s effects are short-lived (often a matter of months)
With the exception of arid and coastal regions (where soil salts are high) and the southeastern United States (where heavy clay soils are common), gypsum amendment is just not necessary in non-agricultural areas. Urban soils are generally amalgamations of subsoils, native and non-native topsoils, and – in home landscapes – high levels of organic and non-organic chemical additives. They are also heavily compacted and layered (and gypsum does not work well on layered soils). In such landscapes, it is pointless to add yet more chemicals in the form of gypsum unless you need to increase soil calcium levels. This nutrient deficiency can be quickly identified by any soil testing laboratory for less than a bag of gypsum costs. (If you need to improve sulfur nutrition, it’s wiser to
use ammonium sulfate). To reduce compaction and improve aeration in nearly any landscape, application of an organic mulch is more economically and environmentally sustainable.
The Bottom Line
• Gypsum can improve heavy clay soil structure and remove sodium from saline soils
• Gypsum has no effect on soil fertility, structure, or pH of any other soil type
• Most urban soils are not improved by additional gypsum
• Before adding gypsum or any chemical to a land scape, have soil analysis performed to identify
mineral deficiencies, toxicities, and soil character
• Adding gypsum to sandy or non-sodic soils is a waste of money, natural resources, and can have
negative impacts on plant, soil, and ecosystem health
This myth falls into the category of agricultural practices misapplied to ornamental landscapes.
Gypsum effectively changes the structure and fertility of heavy clay soils, especially those that are heavily weathered or subject to intensive crop production.
Gypsum also improves sodic (saline) soils by removing sodium from the soil and replacing it with calcium. Therefore, one can see improvement in clay soil structure and fertility, and desalinization of sodium-rich soils, by using gypsum.
What other effects will gypsum have on soil and plant health? There are a number of scientific studies on gypsum usage both in the literature and onwebsites. Briefly, researchers have found:
• Gypsum does not usually change soil acidity,though occasional reports of both increasing and
decreasing pH exist;
• Gypsum can increase leaching of aluminum, which can detoxify soils but also contaminates
nearby watersheds;
• Gypsum can increase leaching of iron and manganese, leading to deficiencies of these nutrients;
• Gypsum applied to acid soils can induce magnesium deficiency in plants on site;
• Gypsum applied to sandy soils can depress phosphorus, copper and zinc transport;
• Gypsum can have negative effects on mycorrhizal inoculation of roots, which may account for
several reports of negative effects of gypsum on tree seedling establishment and survival;
• Gypsum is variable in its effects on mature trees;
• Gypsum will not improve fertility of acid or sandy soils;
• Gypsum will not improve water holding capacity of sandy soils; and
• Gypsum’s effects are short-lived (often a matter of months)
With the exception of arid and coastal regions (where soil salts are high) and the southeastern United States (where heavy clay soils are common), gypsum amendment is just not necessary in non-agricultural areas. Urban soils are generally amalgamations of subsoils, native and non-native topsoils, and – in home landscapes – high levels of organic and non-organic chemical additives. They are also heavily compacted and layered (and gypsum does not work well on layered soils). In such landscapes, it is pointless to add yet more chemicals in the form of gypsum unless you need to increase soil calcium levels. This nutrient deficiency can be quickly identified by any soil testing laboratory for less than a bag of gypsum costs. (If you need to improve sulfur nutrition, it’s wiser to
use ammonium sulfate). To reduce compaction and improve aeration in nearly any landscape, application of an organic mulch is more economically and environmentally sustainable.
The Bottom Line
• Gypsum can improve heavy clay soil structure and remove sodium from saline soils
• Gypsum has no effect on soil fertility, structure, or pH of any other soil type
• Most urban soils are not improved by additional gypsum
• Before adding gypsum or any chemical to a land scape, have soil analysis performed to identify
mineral deficiencies, toxicities, and soil character
• Adding gypsum to sandy or non-sodic soils is a waste of money, natural resources, and can have
negative impacts on plant, soil, and ecosystem health
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Thanks for another copy and paste to drown it all out.....Don't mind that it was posted on the first page
Go sell something somerwhere wlse. You have enough free advertising around here.
Go sell something somerwhere wlse. You have enough free advertising around here.
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wow who has made himself look silly using aggressive language not just at me but anyone that dares to mention Elaine or counter your opinion. Wow you have totally lost the plot. Free advertising, hahahahah you do nothing for me, never have and never will, i never ask you to, like I said what you know I forgot ten times over.
I can assure you that intelligence is not meter out by those who use such foul and abusive language when someone dares to counter you.
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you make everything so personal, what is wrong with you?
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I don't like you. Go away
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hahahha yeah right, what a childish little man you are
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i am using balance I am not sure you understand this? If we dont question, we will end up lost
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How about you start by questioning the foundation of your knowledge instead of acting like I am the enemy. I don't care about Elaine and if you don't think she has created profit off of this, than are clueless and YOU need to do some research with the pink lenses off.
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dude i dont care what Elaine does, why do you?
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